
I suppose that is not exactly what they had in mind when they first called chronic aerobic exercise “cardio” in the days of Disco.
I first saw this study by Brueckmann and Mohlenkamp last spring and I’m a bit surprised that the nutrition and fitness blogosphere hasn’t noticed it. I think you may have to be an acedemically-oriented cardiologist or radiologist to really understand the significance of the findings, as the MRI imaging science is a bit esoteric.
Also, it’s published in Radiology, which is not exactly Gina Kolata territory.
I’ll do my best to convince you of just how disturbing this study should be to those who believe that “aerobic” exercise will make you immortal.
The image is not the thing itself
As a radiologist, this is my coffee-mug aphorism for the epistemology of medical imaging. It reminds me that the picture or the test result is not the patient or even the disease.
Here is one of the heirarchies I use as a heuristic (a teaching device) when thinking about coronary disease. It’s a rough ordering from left to right of how far away you are from “the thing itself” when looking for evidence of a previous myocardial infarct.
From useless to definitive:
Framingham risk score - modern blood tests ( HDL , LDL-P, oxidized LDL, etc.)
calcium score (Heart scan for coronary calcium)
Intravascular Coronary Ultrasound
abnormal coronary angiogram
abnormal coronary CTA
EKG evidence of infarct
Stress SPECT Nuclear Medicine perfusion
cardiac perfusion MRI with dobutamine
Late Gadolinium enhancement cardiac MRI (LGE)
death with autopsy evidence of MI.
I have ordered these roughly according to how definitive they are in establishing myocardial injury - whether you have actually had a heart attack sometime in the past (not acutely, as that can often be shown with serum enzymes). I have not accounted for sensitivity, which for some of these tests is so poor as to make them useless.
Think of Lindeberg’s studies of the Kitavans. He used EKGs (electrocardiograms) to look for evidence of prior MI (myocardial infarct or heart attack). Comparing to the known prevalence of EKG abnormalities in western subjects, he concluded that there was no evidence of heart disease in Kitava.
The Kitavans are fascinating because they have high carb consumption and appear to be much healthier than those on the SAD. They also have some “paradoxical” lipid markers that (rightfully) call into question the very idea that the lipid markers that cardiologists love to measure mean anything outside the context of a particular diet. In my opinion, they help cast doubt on the very idea that either good or bad blood lipids “cause” anything. Rather, they are just markers for the diet - the diet effects the actual changes.
EKG is not that sensitive and can be false positive.
Sidebar: Until we have CT angiograms or at least calcium scores on the Kitavans, I think we can conclude that heart attacks are pretty rare for them, but we cannot say they have no atherosclerosis - one reason I’ll stick to VLC, thank you.
What if we got a grant from Bill Gates? What if we wanted the most definitive evidence that we could get, short of sacrificing our poor subjects in the interest of science and having a pathologist look at their hearts.
How about flying all the Kitavans to the US or Europe to have invasive coronary angiograms? Unfortunately, a conventional angiogram only shows stenosis or narrowing of the coronary arteries and does not show a heart attack unless there is gross wall motion abnormality.
How about a nuclear medicine stress test? - this 20-year-old procedure is the most traditional non-invasive way to look for heart disease - unfortunately it also requires a fairly large infarcted area to reliably detect if there has ever been a heart attack. If looking just for physiologic evidence of stenosis, it requires a 75% or greater arterial narrowing to reliably detect disease. It is not very sensitive.
It would surprise even a lot of physicians to know that the most sensitive way to tell if there is any coronary atherosclerosis whatsoever is not nuclear medicine or an invasive coronary angiogram - it is CCTA or coronary CTA.
CCTA is not “calcium scoring” (I avoid calling calcium scoring a “heart scan” as at my center there are a half-dozen procedures that could be called that). CCTA is a CT scan done with a 64- slice multi-detector CT scanner that rotates fast enough to image the coronary arteries. Although the spatial resolution is not as high as conventional catheter angiography, CCTA can directly image early “soft” plaque that is totally invisible on conventional angiography or on simple calcium scoring. The only test that is better - the absolute gold standard for detection of coronary plaque in the living - is called intravascular ultrasound or IVUS. But IVUS requires invasive insertion of an ultrasound probe into the coronary arteries in a procedure similar to conventional angiography. It is mainly a research tool. Not so good for screening asymptomatic subjects.
So to detect any atherosclerosis whatsoever in a population, the best practical test would be CCTA.
But what if we wanted to know, with as great a degree of certainty as possible without waiting for the death of our subjects, whether they had ever had a heart attack or any damage to the heart muscle? After all, the important thing is if you have an actual heart attack or die - that is “the thing itself’
Then the choice would be cardiac MRI with late gadolinium enhancement or LGE.
Here is how LGE works. When heart muscle is damaged, there are pathologic changes in the tissue that we characterize, in our highly precise way as medical scientists, as “scar tissue”. This scar tissue will have a pattern of blood pooling or stasis, where, unlike normal heart muscle, blood leaks in slowly, and then does not wash out as fast with time.
LGE exploits this phenomenon. We give an agent intravenously that shows up bright on MRI images called gadolinium (It’s actually a chelate as free Gd is poisonous) We can first of all use this to look for ischemia or temporary insufficiency of blood flow with stress. Then we get delayed images. On these delayed images, normal heart muscle will return to its non- bright appearance, but the scar or damaged heart muscle will stay bright. The important thing to know is that we can detect such areas with much higher resolution than nuclear medicine techniques, and we can see non- transmural (less severe) infarcts and infarcts so small they have no effect on wall motion.
This LGE technique has been validated with animal and human pathologic studies. It truly is best way other than autopsy to tell if there has been permanent damage to the heart muscle.
Mainstream thinking still maintains that lots of aerobic exercise is good for cardiovascular health - to the point where everyone uses the word “cardio” as a synonym for long sessions of aerobic effort. Like the diet-heart and lipid hypotheses, this idea is actually only about 40 years old. In the first half of the 20th century, it would have been thought as absurd as the idea that butter clogs your arteries.
So let’s say you want to see just how protective “cardio” is against the number one killer of Americans -coronary heart disease. Instead of just looking for atherosclerosis, though, we want “the thing itself” of actual myocardial damage. Who knows, maybe runners get more plaque but have fewer plaque ruptures or a less thrombogenic blood profile?
So in the Breuckmann study, they recruited 102 active marathon runners. To be a marathon runner (and perhaps to maximize their power to show how healthy “cardio” is) required at least 5 marathons in the past 3 years. Many had run dozens or more in their lifetime. Anyone with a known history of heart disease or diabetes was excluded. The average age was 57 with age 50-72. The median number of marathons was 20. Weekly mileage was 35 (55km). Mean work was 4700 METs per week.
Yikes! 5 years ago, I ran 30 miles a week. Good thing I just did it for one summer.
There were 102 totally asymptomatic age-matched controls, also with no history of diabetes, who had no significant history of vigorous exercise.
All subjects had cardiac MRI with LGE imaging. Those with LGE abnormalities were called back to have perfusion imaging as well to help tell if they had evidence for ischemia.
Sidebar: Ischemia means temporary and reversible changes in oxygenation of tissue. Infarction means ischemia has occurred to the point that tissue has died and this is irreversible. LGE means irreversible loss of tissue or infarction.
What do you think they found? After all, these were a bunch of completely asymptomatic runners. Conventional wisdom will assure you that only eating copious fiber and making turds like a gorilla could make you healthier than being a serious runner.
Would you believe 12% of asymptomatic marathon runners had evidence of myocardial damage on LGE?
Would you believe that among the sedentary controls only 4% had abnormal LGE?
I am obliged to point out that by the conventional arbitrary criteria used in biomedical publishing, the difference was “not statistically significant”. To meet the standard definition, there would have to be a 95% chance the difference is real. Instead, the significance level was 8% by McNemar’s test, so there is only a 92% probability that the difference is not due to chance.
That’s a relief.
Sidebar: Does anyone else think it’s strange that if your doctor said “you have a 92% chance you are disease free” you would find that reassuring, but we are supposed to dismiss a mere 92% probability that a study result is real? Stop doing what you are told and read the statistics without letting the authors or editors tell you what is “significant”. Yes, P = .00001 is better than .05. But decide for yourself, it is not written in stone.
Let’s take a closer look at the results.
Among runners with LGE, there were two patterns of abnormality. In the first pattern, found in 5, there was evidence on perfusion imaging and an anatomic pattern that confirmed these were typical ischemic infarcts. That is, they are evidence of heart attacks due to insufficient blood supply in the distribution of a particular diseased coronary artery. The kind of heart attacks we are all familiar with that kill 500,000 Americans a year. Two of the controls had these classic appearing infarcts.
Runners 5 classic heart attacks
Sedentary 2 classic heart attacks
The second pattern of abnormality, seen in 7 runners and 2 of the sedentary, was non-classic LGE. These areas of dead tissue were found in the middle or outer layers of the heart muscle, rather than the subendocardial layer. They also tended to be more patchy in disrtibution. This non-classical pattern can indicate scarring or fibrosis from non-ischemic injury to the heart muscle, including myocarditis. However, despite lack of evidence for ischemia on perfusion MRI, this pattern can also occur to due coronary microembolization, where a coronary artery is not narrow enough to cause ischemia, yet small bits of plaque break off or tiny blood clots form and plug the arterioles deep in the muscle - causing infarction and permanent scarring in an “atypical” pattern.
The authors speculate that this atypical infarction could be due to exaggerated shear stress related to marathon running and disturbance of prothrombotic and fibrinolytic systems contributing to microthrombotic emboli.
I think that is a reasonable speculation.
Runners 7 non-classic heart attacks
Sedentary 2 non-classic heart attacks
So whether we are looking at classic heart attacks or non-classic, the ratio is about 2.5 or 3 to 1 in favor of being relatively sedentary.
But, you might say, how do we know this LGE is significant?
First, there was evidence of ischemia in most of the classic cases even if you don’t buy my statement LGE by itself is definitive evidence of a heart attack.
Second, in only 21 months of followup, 1 of 90 runners without LGE had a significant coronary event and 3 of 17 runners with LGE had a significant event. Significant events included two cases of collapse and EKG abnormalities after a race. None died, but all were proved to have severe coronary disease by conventional angiography and were stented or had bypass surgery. This event-free survival was significant by log-rank at the .0001 level.
Third, the median CAC (coronary artery calcium score) in the runners with LGE was 192, and in the runners with no LGE it was 26. This is a big difference and shows that coronary atherosclerosis is tracking the LGE evidence of heart attacks. So it’s probably not just thrombogenicity or arrythmias on top of an invariant level of coronary disease.
Now I’ll be good and put on my Karl Popper hat for jusr a second. Maybe the runners all took up running a few years ago and had bad CAD to begin with? Maybe they had not yet run enough marathons to reverse their disease?
From another good paper by the same group on the same subjects:
1) The more marathons run, the higher the likelihood of heart disease. The number of marathons run was an independent and significant predictor of the likelihood of myocardial damage.
The runners had about the same prevalence of non-zero coronary calcium compared to age matched controls randomly assigned from a survey population. This was so despite the Framingham risk score being lower for the runners and there being more than 5 times as many smokers among the controls.
2) Compared to age-matched controls, the runners had 40% higher HDL -c (mean of 74 mg/dl) and 18% lower LDL (121) Again, these more favorable lipid risk factors did not show a benefit in calcium scores, which correlate well with atherosclerosis (not heart attack, but coronary heart disease).
Statin deficiency, I guess. How many torpedoes before the Bismarck of the Lipid Hypothesis finally sinks?
3) Compared to age and risk factor matched controls (a second set of controls with similar rates of smoking and other risk factors), 36% of runners had a calcium score or CAC above 100, versus 21% of age and risk factor matched controls. (High CAC means more coronary atherosclerosis) So if the “risk factors” like lipids and BMI and such really are helping you, running seems to be doing something to undo the effect.
There are many good references quoted by Brueckmann and Mohlenkamp.
Among them is This paper by Kwong and Chan from Circulation. They looked at the presence of LGE as a predictor of major cardiac events (heart attack) and the ultimate relevant end point for us all - death.
They said:
“LGE demonstrated the strongest unadjusted associations with MCE and cardiac mortality (hazard ratios of 8.29 and 10.9, respectively; both P 0.0001).
LGE remained the strongest predictor selected in the best overall models for MCE and cardiac mortality.”
A hazard ratio of 11 for future cardiac mortality is very, very very, high. 1100% more likely to die is gold standard hazard ratio, of the same magnitude as smoking and lung cancer. This makes it hard to doubt the significance of having LGE and would not be seen if there were benign explanations for it.
This makes sense. How could there be a better predictor of whether you will have a heart attack than evidence that you have already had a clinically silent one?
Brueckmann and Mohlenkamp are German, but get points for an English level of understatement:
“...It seems safe to state that marathon runners most likely did not have a lower rate of LGE than did the healthy control subjects, who did not regularly exercise.”
Do you think that might be why this paper was in Radiology instead of JAMA or NEJM? Is that why there was no press conference before the paper came out?
Do you think maybe Kolata or Jane Brody might have told you about this study in the New York Times if the numbers had been reversed?
It’s time for some Kuhnian iconoclasm. Let’s take the hammer to some “normal science”.
I think that atherosclerosis is not caused by lack of sustained high-level aerobic (“cardio”) exercise.
Just like I don’t think lack of “cardio” is the cause of the obesity epidemic.
I think premature atherosclerois is caused by diet. Our susceptibility to a bad diet is contributed to by genetics.
I think that not only does sustained “cardio” not protect you from atherosclerosis, I think it is quite likely that through repetitive shear stress with endothelial damage and promotion of an inflammatory state, that it promotes atherosclerosis.
Further, I think that “cardio” can precipitate the thromboembolic and acute inflammatory events like plaque rupture - acute heart attacks, even if it does not directly contribute to atherosclerosis, which I think it does.
Could “cardio” promote atherosclerosis and myocardial damage by being confounded by diet? That is, could the wheat, carbohydrate and linoleic acid found in low fat “healthy” diets be more prevalent in marathon runners by virtue of their greater caloric intake of this noxious garbage?
That’s a possibility. I think it may apply to cyclists, most of whom seem to eat horribly and who seem to be prone to osteoporosis.
Even if these findings are all confounded by a noxious athletic diet, I still find no grounds at all to believe that “cardio” protects your heart or makes you live longer.
I think a modicum of repetitive physical activity can improve your mood. I like to a run a 5 k every now and then. It feels good and cross-country seems good for your coordination with all the varied terrain. A little cross-country and some sprinting sure seems to make me more functional.
I am not under the delusion that it will improve my overall health or my longevity, though.
Same goes for eating vegetables, fiber, antioxidants, and most supplements. No magic foods.
The good kind of exercise, resistance training, makes you more functional and stronger. That is the only sensible definition of fitness if we follow the hippocratic oath with our selves.
Primum Non Nocere
I think if you eat the SAD that adding a little exercise may mitigate some damage in a compensatory fashion by improving your glucoregulatory function and sucking up some of that excess glucose.
I don’t eat the SAD, though.
I vote we keep the terminology. We should keep calling marathons, centuries on the bicycle and hours on those ridiculous stairmasters and treadmills “cardio” to remind us which organ we are likely to be putting at risk.
Running a marathon is looking about as smart as boxing or playing football.
So maybe you should stick to crossfit and weightlifting for your exercise. Or TV watching.
References:
Myocardial late gadolinium enhancement: prevalence, pattern, and prognostic relevance in marathon runners.
Running: the risk of coronary events
Impact of Unrecognized Myocardial Scar Detected by Cardiac Magnetic Resonance Imaging on Event-Free Survival in Patients Presenting With Signs or Symptoms of Coronary Artery Disease
Alberto Salazar image by Olivia Bucks of the Oregonian.
The only difference between Salazar and Jim Fixx, is that when Salazar experienced sudden cardiac death due to myocardial infarct from an 80% stenosis of his right coronary artery at age 48, someone showed up with a defibrillator to get his heart re-started. Salazar was a world class marathoner who trained about 30 miles a week at an easy 7:30 pace.
Reader Comments (19)
This is incredibly important...investigation is happening, people are questioning the status quo. Finally! Looking forward to your post after the paper is published. Thanks for helping to keep me aware :)
And yet they will still run. I have friends that run. At least two of their three triplets (they all do cross country at their high school) have repetitive use injuries from running. When they ask me the best thing for those injuries, I said "don't run". And still they run. I can show them any study. But in their mind, if you're running, then you're fit. You are noble. You are a runner.
I fear this will be another one of those seminal pieces of work that is largely ignored because it does not match up with what people want to believe. I get the same thing all the time when trying to convince fellow cyclists that short & sharp is superior riding all day. It wouldn't matter what level of evidence I presented (well it would - if Lance trained that way, then they would do it too... stupid thing is, Lance does do a snotload of high intensity training), they don't want to listen.
I agree with Dave running = skinny and skinny = healthy.
I love the action points sidebar on the Medical News link:
"Explain to interested patients that this is a small study that needs further investigation and should not be used as the basis for reduction of exercise, which typically improves heart health."
That just seems like more BS to maintain the status quo & not upset people. You hear the same things from nutritionists/dieticians (I'm a nutritionist), e.g. "despite the evidence, high fat diets remain unproven and we are unsure of their long term safety, so we recommend you don't change a thing."
I saw this recently with a dietician hear in New Zealand saying high fat eating hasn't been proven to be safe in the long term and then a couple of weeks later was on breakfast TV congratulating McDonalds for getting into bed with Weight Watchers! Craziness.
Thanks for the update post Doc.
"Strong Form: CSSAT itself promotes the inflammatory state via cortisol, cytokines, inadequate recovery, etc."
Definitely betting on that one, especially having read "Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers."
I always find the "running=skinny and skinny=healthy" funny because mostly ever person I train that comes in with a runner background tends to be "skinny fat." Thin, very little muscle mass and they hold all their weight around their middle. Even if they are exceptionally lean everywhere else, they seem to hold just a bit around the stomach and love handles....insulin/cortisol??
True for enduro cyclists too Ben... skeletal upper body, soft through the middle. You often don't have to dig too deep to find many markers of poor health (chronic injury, recurrent illness, poor body comp, etc).
I have had more than a few HS students who are dragged in to see me by their parents because they faint during the cross country races or workouts (both in NY and in HI) the kid is usually happy to take a break while tests return from the lab and the MD gives the ok. I help them look at their life from a less competitive and nourishing point of view, generally they show interest. The parents on the other hand want them back training asap...even carrying water if the coach has orders to keep them benched. Seems the indoctrination begins early and right at home.
Michael Ross, MD, a physician and trainer of some elite national class cyclists, came out with a book in 2005 called "Maximum Performance For Cyclists". His training regimens emphasize qualiity over quantity. He backs up his theories with some compelling explanations of the science behind why this works and also by the results of his athletes. Many other coaches, including Lance Armstrong's coach Chris Carmichael, are converting to the emphasis on high intensity, lower volume training.
We cyclists used to refer to high mileage training days as junk miles, but necessary. They are still junk miles, but, happily, unnecessary.
Rick
Have reposted the original article for the British market
Contrarian position: If we sat fat eaters dismiss traditional heart risk factors because they do not actually predict negative health outcomes, why is it that we are willing to accept studies such as these which measure "risk factors" without checking their predictive power?
To answer myself, I tried to google around and find statistics on the mortality of people identified as "marathon runners" or "runner(s)". I couldn't find anything that directly answered the question (although there's a lot of controversy out there over people keeling over and dying during events themselves). I think my google-fu has failed me, or perhaps the statistics do not exist. In any case, the contrarian position still demands a rebuttal: If marathon running generates a risk profile comparable or worse than people who are at risk for the disease, does that actually translate into a comparable or worse rate of death/comparably negative health outcomes?
@Phil
We don't reject them ALL - obesity and smoking and hypertension and diabetes are absolutely risk factors for CAD
We only reject the blood lipids BS - very important distinction!
So these non-lipid framingham type type risk factors that are not necessarily the whole story, nevertheless they do help us predict in some fashion who may haveCAD.
What they are in turn caused by is irrelevant - the point is that there is something about CSSAT that makes you (according to 2 studies now) MORE likely to have heart disease than one would expect based on these other risk factors.
Good point on the risk factors. I was thinking "cholesterol" when I said that but obviously there are others which are better correlated with actual risk, ie the ones being discussed in this study. My thinking was that since I've rejected the lipid hypothesis in part because of its failure to actually predict negative outcomes, I should look at that same relationship with respect to CSSAT in order to maintain rigor.
Given that I failed to establish anything there, I was also hoping to crowdsource the search for any correlation between CSSAT and either heart attack or death in general. I'm still looking, but if any other folks have a lead let me know or post it up. Mortality in CSSAT athletes seems like a decent pragmatic test of the hypothesis put forth in this post, even if it wouldn't directly confirm or deny it and of course be heavily confounded by other factors.
Re-read the original cardo causes heart disease post. Evidence of myocardial scar from heart attack IS what they measured. The current study looked at coronary disease, which is necessary but not sufficient for a heart attack.
One would need a pretty large sample to look at mortality.
When people see how skinny I am, they often ask if I run or jog. I've hated it all my life. I took a biomechanics graduate course with Owen Lovejoy at Kent State University (an expert in hominid biomechanics) and discovered just how bad running/jogging is on the human skeletal anatomy--especially the knees. My response to people who ask if I jog has always been that it's against my religion. (Funny, I always expect them to ask what religion that is--to which I'd reply human nature--but oddly they never do ask!)
Thanks for the heads up. I think your suggestions for why this might be occuring are intriguing and I hope that someone will actually test some of these factors. Is inflammation correlated with the increased plaque? Or is it the high processed carb diet? or both? These paradoxes are the first step to wisdom, to asking the right questions. This paradox provides incentive to actually dissect the different factors contributing to atherosclerosis from a different perspective.
That said, as a runner, I greatly enjoy the wind in my face and the thrill of freedom and mobility running provides. I cannot believe that there is anything inherently unhealthy about it, anymore than that there is anything inherently unhealthy about eating. But that doesn't mean there aren't health promoting ways to do it as well as potentially health damaging ways.
There are plenty of people with great body composition who are runners too, so it is not necessarily true, as some commenters believe, that running and other endurance sports necessarily lead to hormone imbalances and excess cortisol, just like I don't believe that a low carb diet necessarily leads to hypothyroidism, as some have suggested. Diet and exercise can affect hormone balance though, but people are often unaware of the consequences and unable to make adjustments that are needed.
I'd be interested to see a comparison of controls with athletes of other sports. I'd conjecture that the body builder/weight lifting crowd might appear healthier, not because their chosen exercise is inherently healthier, but because this group is more likely to be interested in body composition, to restrict carbs and eat ample protein, rather than believing they can shovel in any garbage they want and get away with it.
Aaron b, I get accused of being a runner too because of my build (tall and thin). The only time it was a compliment was when I had a cardio checkup (nuclear stress test) and I did so well (they finally told me to stop. Not only could I keep going, I was able to hold a conversation while doing it), they said, you're a runner right? "No" I told them, "I believe running is harmful". They looked at me like I was from another planet.
KGH:
Not to rain on your parade, Dave but those nuclear stress tests are worthless for detecting anything but rather severe CAD, and often they miss that, too. I think these tests are particularly pointless if you are asymptomatic.
In the upper midwest, anyone over 40 with a waist size under 40 inches is assumed to be a runner:)
Dr Kurt said..."In the upper midwest, anyone over 40 with a waist size under 40 inches is assumed to be a runner:)"
Ha- what a world we live in!
Lots of runners, particularly marathoners, have bought into the idea of carb loading before a race and in training, which could be a confounding factor. Postprandial glucose spike anyone?
Or so I'd like to think, anyway. I've signed up for the Chicago marathon this year ...
The other day as I was driving somewhere I saw a young woman, somewhat overweight, running like crazy with a terrible grimace on her face, clearly in all kinds of pain but pushing through. In the past I would have been saying something like, "Good for her... I wish I had the time and motivation to do that." Now I find myself saying, "Poor thing. She clearly hasn't gotten the word yet that she is doing absolutely nothing of benefit to herself." The other thing is, the boob factor. It simply cannot be good for women, especially busty women, to be putting that kind of stress on their breast tissues day in and day out. I imagine that, even with the best kind of support, the repeated trauma that the breasts are taking cannot be a good thing. Wasn't there some study in the past that suggested that excessive bounce is a risk for breast diseases?
I'm of a few different minds when it comes to this issue. On the whole, I much prefer and definitely recommend interval training and sprints over steady state cardio when it comes to both weight loss and to improving performance. However, like a few others on this blog, I wonder if there aren't some compounding issues:
Obviously the first is that many of these runners are probably eating a high-carb and inflammatory diet because they believe they need that to fuel their performance. Also, they may not be taking adequate recovery. Perhaps one or two runs a week is not enough to cause an increase in the risk of heart disease.
It was my understanding that humans DID in fact evolve to run. Whether as persistence runners, scavengers, or what not. Aaron B, I think that we have many great adaptations to run. Recent research is showing that many of the injuries associated with running can be mitigated, if not eliminated, by a more natural forefoot strike. One recent study that comes to mind found that going barefoot was better than going shod for patients with osteoarthritis in their knees. I can't comment on the "boob factor," however.
Another possibility that I think is contributing to some of the heart disease markers is pollution. Though I don't know the studies off the top of my head, I am fairy certain that it has been shown that air pollution can contribute to heart disease. It seems likely to me that the people who were running the most marathons in this study were also spending proportionately more time running on the streets and sucking up car exhaust, etc.
If any of this is a repeat of a previous discussion, I apologize. I am new to the blog and find your discussions very interesting. I am happy to be able to contribute and look forward to continuing to read your responses.
KGH:
We may be evolved to run in some sense but there is running and there is running. I think at some point very high amounts of time spent near maximal aerobic effort with inadequate recovery- whether, running cycling, paddling, etc. is inflammatory. Even among persistence hunters, they don't run at max heart rates continually like a marathon, and I doubt if this was done as ubiquitously or as often as those who fantasize about it think. For one thing, it only works in very open environments. Try it in Wisconsin cedar swamp some time..
I run 10K or so a week in nice weather. I do believe some sprinting and shorter runs may make you be healthier than being sedentary. I think there are definite mood benefits to some kinds of repetitive exercise. Where the transition occurs between a few K a week and being a marathoner I don't know. I suspect it is just too much work with inadequate repair time.
One very important point is "the heart is not the heart".. VO2 max is NOT measuring plaque on your coronary or carotid arteries. IN fact, VO2 max is exercise specific.